LNER 24105 Open Third

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LNERLondon & North Eastern Railway 24105 Open Third
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LNERLondon & North Eastern Railway Open Third 24105
Built By BRCWBirmingham Railway Carriage & Wagon Company for LNERLondon & North Eastern Railway
Status Operational
Number 24105
Other numbers 13317, E13317E, DE320957
Built 1936
Designed By GresleySir Nigel Gresley, Chief Mechanical Engineer (CME) of the London & North Eastern Railway 1923-1941
Diagram 186
Lot 5922
Type TTO
Length 61ft 6in
Weight 31t 0cwt
Seats 46 third + 4 wheelchairs
(64 third as built)
1961 Withrawn for ER Control Train
1980 Preserved
1998 To traffic as wheelchair coach
2016 Ownership passed to the SVRSevern Valley Railway Charitable Trust
2017 Overhaul


Wheelchair accessible area

LNERLondon & North Eastern Railway GresleySir Nigel Gresley, Chief Mechanical Engineer (CME) of the London & North Eastern Railway 1923-1941 Tourist Open Third (TTO) No 24105 was built 1936 by the Birmingham Railway Carriage and Wagon Company (BRCWBirmingham Railway Carriage & Wagon Company). It seated 64 passengers in one large saloon, with an entrance vestibule at each end and two toilets at one end. Officially these carriages were meant for excursion work, but most of them seem to have quickly gravitated into general passenger service.


24105 was renumbered as 13317 as part of the LNERLondon & North Eastern Railway's 1943 re-numbering scheme. On Nationalisation in 1947, BRBritish Rail or British Railways initially allocated an E prefix to indicate its LNERLondon & North Eastern Railway origin, with a further re-numbering to E13313E after 1951.[1]

It was withdrawn from passenger use in 1961 to be modified to act as the control and apparatus car in a mobile control train for use in the event of war. It was given the DepartmentalRolling stock used for the railway’s own functions (engineering etc.) rather than for general passenger or goods traffic. number DE320957 from June 1963[2] and was based at York with LNER 43600 Open Third. The modification included the blanking out of many windows and the fitting of double doors to one side.

24105 in Preservation

24105 was originally purchased for preservation by VSOEVenice Simplon Orient Express, then based at Carnforth, but arrived on the SVRSevern Valley Railway on 6 October 1980, having been swapped for LNER 4236 Gangwayed Passenger Brake. It spent many years in static use at Bewdley, in maroon livery and serving as The Erlestoke Manor Fund sales coach. In the early 1990s ownership transferred to the The LNER (SVR) Coach Fund for restoration and traffic as a wheelchair accessible open third.

Restoration 1991 to 1997

Control Train modifications to 24105's original Diagram 186 were retained and gave access for up to four wheelchairs, (with 46 ordinary seats) via the existing double door modification. An extra half-door (modified from a door donated by the NYMR-based L.N.E.R. Coach Association) was added on the opposite side to facilitate access, the conversion work in 1991 being paid for from the proceeds of the Autumn 1990 SVRA Wolverhampton Branch raffle on behalf of the LNERLondon & North Eastern Railway (SVRSevern Valley Railway) Coach Fund.[3] A single toilet, described by a wheelchair user as "tight but manageable" completed the interior. The missing windows were reinstated and much new teak paneling fitted to the exterior. The entirely new but authentic looking interior included a new floor, ceiling and green and grey Rexinean early form of vinyl used by the LNER for wall coverings in teak coaches wall cladding. It was completed with tables, oval mirrors, coathooks, BRBritish Rail or British Railways pattern wall lamps and luggage racks. It was also equipped with fairly accurate reproductions of the GresleySir Nigel Gresley, Chief Mechanical Engineer (CME) of the London & North Eastern Railway 1923-1941 "High Backed" seats. It entered traffic early in 1998. The restoration was made possible by much commercial and private sponsorship, a large public contribution raised via sales and sponsored walks, plus substantial donations from Bewdley Round Table, The SVRSevern Valley Railway Company and the SVRSevern Valley Railway Association.

24105 was owned for many years by The LNER (SVR) Coach Fund who donated it in March 2016 to the Severn Valley Railway Charitable Trust Ltd for future safekeeping as part of the SVRSevern Valley Railway's operating carriage fleet.

2017 overhaul

A major overhaul commenced on 3 January 2017. Roof board refastening meant a complete strip-down followed by rebuilding with new canvass (fitted 4 July 2017), rainstrips and tacking covers. Also completed was the obligatory window re-sealing with new retaining beading and fresh sealent. A section of frame was found to be rotten due to a leaking window seal and this, together with some panels have been repaired. The old varnish was removed, the woodwork restored to its original colour, sanded, linseed oiled and varnished; lining and signwriting were completed. Internally the lighting was improved with LED bulbs and reproduction LNERLondon & North Eastern Railway wall lamps whilst the Rexinean early form of vinyl used by the LNER for wall coverings in teak coaches was either cleaned or where necessary, replaced. The rather tired tables received a re-varnish and were covered in linoleum in lieu of the old Rexinean early form of vinyl used by the LNER for wall coverings in teak coaches. New seat frames and ends were constructed, and the seats and backs re-covered in reproduction LNERLondon & North Eastern Railway fawn patterned moquette to bring it up to standard. The toilet was remodeled to improve its ambiance, increase available space, and simplify the plumbing. The overhaul was completed in October 2017.

See also

List of carriages


LNERLondon & North Eastern Railway (SVRSevern Valley Railway) Coach Fund SVRSevern Valley Railway Stock Book, 9th edition

  1. Longworth (2018) p.175.
  2. Longworth (2018) p.473.
  3. SVRSevern Valley Railway News 101