Difference between revisions of "Talk:Cowans Sheldon 30-ton steam crane"

Latest revision as of 12:18, 2 July 2024

Merging of the two crane pages

I have merged the two former pages for the steam cranes into this single page (the discussion of which has got lost during the merge), leaving redirects on both original pages. I've also amended the list of rolling stock and former rolling stock pages to refer to 1091 as the current crane and 1087 as the scrapped one as discussed.

At some point I'll tidy the resulting redirects in various articles (and check the articles to see if any of them refer to the wrong crane number within the text). There are also a few of my photos where the file name included 1087 - I'll probably amend their descriptions but not bother changing the file names themselves. That's for another day.--Robin (talk) 16:12, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Footnote, I found the original talk page so copied it below in case the original redirect page is deleted.--Robin (talk) 12:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Expiry of boiler ticket

I seem to remember hearing or reading that the crane won't be overhauled again when it goes out of ticket (if it hasn't already?) but can't remember where I did so. Any thoughts or info welcome. --Robin (talk) 16:31, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

FWIW, I don't recall hearing or reading anything, nor have I seen it on any heritage disposal lists. --Patrick Hearn (talk) 18:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, my memory may well be wrong! I don't think there's any prospect of it being sold (although given the Black 5, never say never!), just that with the two overhead cranes at Bridgnorth it now gets limited use there and there aren't that many civil engineering projects elsewhere, so it might be more cost effective to revert to the occasional hire rather than overhaul it for another boiler ticket.--Robin (talk) 12:18, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Proposal to merge the two crane pages (copied from the original talk page)

Thanks to Patrick for the various recent changes relating to RS 1091's updated crane runner information. I was already thinking of an article of the week to mention it. In doing so I have decided (unless anyone objects!) to merge the two steam crane pages to bring the details of both together on one page. --Robin (talk) 09:26, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I've no objection!--Patrick Hearn (talk) 21:08, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

It seems clear that the ex-Worth Valley Railway crane RS 1087 was the one scrapped, as mentioned in SVRSevern Valley Railway News at various times. The surviving crane has the painted number 1091 (ex-Chester) on the upper works but the works plate of 1087 (ex-Worth Valley) on the running gear. We (I should probably say 'I') drafted both articles on the basis that 1087 is still present, based on the works plate. However there must be some question over whether the running gear was swapped or just the works plate. Also while a loco ID is customarily given to the frame rather than the boiler, in the case of a crane, is the running gear or the upper works the more important bit? It would therefore probably be better to refer to the surviving crane as 1091, with a note on the query regarding its works plate. Any thoughts welcome. --Robin (talk) 09:26, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

I've always found it confusing, and it's supposition what parts of each were kept or disposed of. What you suggest sounds logical, until or unless someone comes up with more definitive info!--Patrick Hearn (talk) 21:08, 30 June 2024 (UTC)