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Should the Autocoaches be included here? Or are they a separate category?
 
Should the Autocoaches be included here? Or are they a separate category?
  
I think they count, though perhaps with a separate heading. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 08:00, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
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:I think they count, though perhaps with a separate heading. --[[User:Danny252|Danny252]] ([[User talk:Danny252|talk]]) 08:00, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
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:I think they should definitely be listed here although I have mixed feeling whether or not they should be under a separate heading. [[User:Boldford|Boldford]] ([[User talk:Boldford|talk]]) 17:53, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
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:I think they belong here with no need for a separate heading. I'm not so sure about the 5 DMU cars though. They're not diesel locomotives and they're not exactly carriages, so it's either a separate heading on this page, or a page to themselves linked from the List of rolling stock page. Any preferences or other suggestions? --[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 00:08, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
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:In the absence of further comment, I've gone with the last suggestions, ie added the auto coaches as carriages and added a link to the DMU page from the rolling stock page.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 23:51, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
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The BR coaches are described as Crimson & Cream under Set C, but as Carmine & Cream in the table. Should we stick to one description, and if so which?--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:38, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
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:I was going by the information on [http://www.bloodandcustard.net/bloodandcustardhistory.html www.bloodandcustard.net] "The official Railways Executive designation was Crimson Lake - British Standard colour reference BS381C colour no.540 ‘crimson’."<br>
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:Assuming this source is reliable, all occurrences of 'carmine' should be changed to 'crimson' and perhaps an explanation added on the page.<br>
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:--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 21:58, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
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:Amended as suggested.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 23:22, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
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I've added 2 LMS coaches which are in the last Stock Book I have and are also in the VCT database as being still at the SVR.  Please update or delete if info is incorrect. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 22:34, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
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: Amended, now only added one as the other was a duplicate under a different number
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[[User:Robin|Robin's]] note reminded me: I realised the other week that the railway's GWR Siphon G wasn't listed anywhere - but wasn't sure where to put it.  I filed it under Goods Wagons but as NPCCS it should probably be on this page. For that matter, how many Siphon Gs do we have? --[[User:WillSalt|WillSalt]] ([[User talk:WillSalt|talk]]) 18:12, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
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:Siphon Gs, like GUV's (and some fruit vans!), appear in both the VCT Carriage survey and Wagon Survey so on that basis they could be either. I'd be just as happy to move the GUVs to the Wagons page and change the note accordingly. Even TPOs are technically vans, come to that.  Maybe carriages should be defined as those primarily carrying (paying) passengers? Or maybe have a separate category on this page for non-passenger carrying NPCCS? Thoughts welcome...
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:VCT Wagon survey says 2 Siphon Gs, 1257 and 2926.
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::Of course they could always go on '''both''' pages!  I think I'd now say carriages rather than wagons for NPCCS. --[[User:WillSalt|WillSalt]] ([[User talk:WillSalt|talk]]) 20:49, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
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Tom Ferris‏ on Twitter 11 June 2017 says: "The Severn Valley Limited set now includes the superbly restored LMS Open First in use as a diner." I'm not sure what the current set S make up is?--[[User:Patrick Hearn|Patrick Hearn]] ([[User talk:Patrick Hearn|talk]]) 22:01, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
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:Today's config with KR end first was [[LNER 7960 Kitchen Composite |LNER 7960]], [[LMS 7511 Restaurant First Open |LMS 7511]], [[BR 1667 Restaurant Buffet |W1667]], [[GWR 9627 Restaurant Third | 9627]], [[GWR 650 Brake Third Open (Excursion) | 650]], [[GWR 1146 Full Third | 1146]] and [[GWR 9055 Nondescript Saloon | 9055]]. I assume the first 4 were the dining set and last 3 were the limited passenger accommodation. --[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 20:38, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
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==TPO colours==
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I've listed the Santa's Grotto Post Office Sorting Vans, 80328 & 80329, as Post Office Red and 80300 at The Engine House as Royal Mail Maroon. I think they may actually all be maroon, can anyone confirm?<br>
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--[[User:Graham Phillips 110|Graham Phillips 110]] ([[User talk:Graham Phillips 110|talk]]) 19:52, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
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:From memory "maroon" is a better description,  and I have a poor quality photo from Autumn 2013 which seems to confirm it.  I'll send you the photo on Facebook to see what you think! --[[User:WillSalt|WillSalt]] ([[User talk:WillSalt|talk]]) 07:07, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
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==GWR carriage set==
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Recent working timetables (eg the 2019 ASG) and also the SVR Website seem to be consistently using GW rather than GW2 when referring to the GWR carriage set. I've therefore made the same change here.--[[User:Robin|Robin]] ([[User talk:Robin|talk]]) 14:38, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 14:38, 5 October 2019

Should the Autocoaches be included here? Or are they a separate category?

I think they count, though perhaps with a separate heading. --Danny252 (talk) 08:00, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
I think they should definitely be listed here although I have mixed feeling whether or not they should be under a separate heading. Boldford (talk) 17:53, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
I think they belong here with no need for a separate heading. I'm not so sure about the 5 DMUDiesel Multiple Unit cars though. They're not diesel locomotives and they're not exactly carriages, so it's either a separate heading on this page, or a page to themselves linked from the List of rolling stock page. Any preferences or other suggestions? --Graham Phillips 110 (talk) 00:08, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
In the absence of further comment, I've gone with the last suggestions, ie added the auto coaches as carriages and added a link to the DMUDiesel Multiple Unit page from the rolling stock page.--Robin (talk) 23:51, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

The BRBritish Rail or British Railways coaches are described as Crimson & Cream under Set C, but as Carmine & Cream in the table. Should we stick to one description, and if so which?--Robin (talk) 20:38, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I was going by the information on www.bloodandcustard.net "The official Railways Executive designation was Crimson Lake - British Standard colour reference BS381C colour no.540 ‘crimson’."
Assuming this source is reliable, all occurrences of 'carmine' should be changed to 'crimson' and perhaps an explanation added on the page.
--Graham Phillips 110 (talk) 21:58, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
Amended as suggested.--Robin (talk) 23:22, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I've added 2 LMSLondon Midland & Scottish Railway coaches which are in the last Stock Book I have and are also in the VCT database as being still at the SVRSevern Valley Railway. Please update or delete if info is incorrect. --Robin (talk) 22:34, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Amended, now only added one as the other was a duplicate under a different number


Robin's note reminded me: I realised the other week that the railway's GWRGreat Western Railway SiphonGWR telegraphic code signifying a milk van G wasn't listed anywhere - but wasn't sure where to put it. I filed it under Goods Wagons but as NPCCS it should probably be on this page. For that matter, how many SiphonGWR telegraphic code signifying a milk van Gs do we have? --WillSalt (talk) 18:12, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

SiphonGWR telegraphic code signifying a milk van Gs, like GUVGeneral Utility Van, formerly used to transport mail and parcels's (and some fruit vans!), appear in both the VCT Carriage survey and Wagon Survey so on that basis they could be either. I'd be just as happy to move the GUVs to the Wagons page and change the note accordingly. Even TPOs are technically vans, come to that. Maybe carriages should be defined as those primarily carrying (paying) passengers? Or maybe have a separate category on this page for non-passenger carrying NPCCS? Thoughts welcome...
VCT Wagon survey says 2 SiphonGWR telegraphic code signifying a milk van Gs, 1257 and 2926.
Of course they could always go on both pages! I think I'd now say carriages rather than wagons for NPCCS. --WillSalt (talk) 20:49, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Tom Ferris‏ on Twitter 11 June 2017 says: "The Severn Valley Limited set now includes the superbly restored LMSLondon Midland & Scottish Railway Open First in use as a diner." I'm not sure what the current set S make up is?--Patrick Hearn (talk) 22:01, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

Today's config with KR end first was LNER 7960, LMS 7511, W1667, 9627, 650, 1146 and 9055. I assume the first 4 were the dining set and last 3 were the limited passenger accommodation. --Robin (talk) 20:38, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

TPOTravelling Post Office colours

I've listed the Santa's Grotto Post Office Sorting Vans, 80328 & 80329, as Post Office Red and 80300 at The Engine House as Royal Mail Maroon. I think they may actually all be maroon, can anyone confirm?
--Graham Phillips 110 (talk) 19:52, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

From memory "maroon" is a better description, and I have a poor quality photo from Autumn 2013 which seems to confirm it. I'll send you the photo on Facebook to see what you think! --WillSalt (talk) 07:07, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

GWRGreat Western Railway carriage set

Recent working timetables (eg the 2019 ASG) and also the SVRSevern Valley Railway Website seem to be consistently using GW rather than GW2 when referring to the GWRGreat Western Railway carriage set. I've therefore made the same change here.--Robin (talk) 14:38, 5 October 2019 (UTC)